The disowning of Dr. Darm continues

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The other bombshell in the update was the series of claims about Dr. Darm, beginning with an allegation about the Debunkers:


  • "In fact they were starting a permanent hate site or debunking site on Dr. Darm --NOT ME."

No one ever considered setting up a web site against Darm, and in Nase's last court appearance, this claim was countered very strongly.


  • "As everyone who followed the Rosacea Support Group knows, I only posted about Dr. Darm 3 times. Three times."

This claim is clearly false, as everyone who followed the Rosacea Support Group knows.


  • "I helped develop the first three pass protocol with Dr. Darm and published this information. This was an excellent protocol and we would be upgrading machines once I had moved out to Portland. I DID NOT support the condensed protocol ever and posted against it on the RS board. I also told Dr. Darm about three people who were going to travel great distances and told him not to accept them because it was a waste of the patients' money -- they were treatment resistant. The patient always came first and there was never any deception."

Again, these are astonishingly blatant lies, as can easily be proved.


Between September 9, 2004 and June 4, 2005 Nase sent 30 messages to the Rosacea Support Group about Darm and his clinic. Many of them were in praise of the new condensed treatment protocol, once Nase decided to endorse it. If you want to check this, open the Yahoo search engine for RS and request all messages with Nase as the author and Darm included in the body of the message.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-support/msearch?AT=Nase&AM=contains&MT=Darm&MM=contains&pos=0&cnt=10

You will see 35 listed. Here are brief extracts from a dozen, with the link so you can easily check the full post for further details:


RSG Message 65173 December 10, 2004 Is it worth driving from Canada to see Darm? "I hate to see anyone drive 15 hours one way for treamtents. [But] If he is considering the triple pass with the n-lite then it may be worth the drive to see him personally."


RSG Message 65209 December 12, 2004 "I like Dr. Darm very much, but I think he is overstepping his boundries with three treatments in 5 days. There is a moderate chance for increased side effects, but just as important, you probably would get the same results with just one treatment because the blood vessels need time to be absorbed by the body. This takes at least 7 to 10 days. The last time we talked I felt as though so may benefit from two treatments 7 days apart...... but certainly not every other day. ..."


RSG Message 71582 April 19, 2005 (re Dr. Darm) "He has a great new flushing protocol ... To show the lack of swelling, bruising or donwn time, he has now treated 3 patients 3 times in one week (treated evey other day out of towners). This is the first that I have heard this done and the patients response has been extremely positive."


RSG Message 73196 May 22, 2005 (To Laura Thomas, who had warned people that it was dangerous to have treatments close together): "This new protocol has resulted in excellent clearance on several patients treated so far. The downtime is nill."


RSG Message 73241 May 23, 2005 (on the condensed treatment protocol): "This is a small step forward in a postive direction that I do not consider experiemental. I would not hesitate to get these treatments."


RSG Message 73658 May 30, 2005 (To a rosacean considering flying from New York for the condensed treatment protocol): "We are just finishing up the most extensive questionaire ever made to help figure this out. He would also need photos to make an educated stab at what he can accomplish with your particular case. It has become very clear now that treatment every one or two days may be better for all patients and not just out of town patients."


RSG Message 73703 May 31, 2005 (To a Dutch rosacean who queried Nase's about-face on the subject): "... I started doing intensive research (when I could) on why this might actually be better, communicated with many of his patients that underwent this protocol and helped Dr. Darm refine it. So, I was very cautious at first, but not one person has reported a side effect to me and Dr. Darm is doing 5 or 6 passes sometimes over certain patients every other day ..."


RSG Message 73707 May 31, 2005 (To the same young woman): "He has treated many patients 3 times in one week with excellent results, several patients 6 times over two weeks and a couple patients 9 times over 3 weeks. ... It certainly is no cure, but it is a protocol that is here to stay and one that will continue to be improved upon. If you ask most other laser physicians I can guarantee you that they will keel over and warn you to stay away. That is fine. This is a very natural response to anything so new."


RSG Message 73742 May 31, 2005 "So far, the clearance of three every other day treatments is better than three treatments every two to three weeks in most patients. How long does the clearance last? Unkonwn at this time, but ... it should last longer than regular treatments -- years of clearance."


RSG Message 73762 June 1, 2005 (A woman writes from Belgium "Dr Nase is it silly to come for treatment all the way to Dr Darm?"): "Please feel free to talk to Dr. Darm in person to see if he thinks you are a candidate. ... Gathering information is the way to go, then you can make an educated decision."


RSG Message 73802 June 1, 2005 For patients coming from out of town, Nase supplies details of motels close to Darm's clinic, including contact details, facilities, and room rates.


RSG Message 73852 June 2, 2005 "Dr. Darm has countless photos and is finally starting to work on a website. He has just put up a tiny handful of before and afters on his "under construction" web site. I have rarely seen clearances like this."


Now take another look at Nase's claims:


"As everyone who followed the Rosacea Support Group knows, I only posted about Dr. Darm 3 times. Three times."

"I DID NOT support the condensed protocol ever and posted against it on the RS board. I also told Dr. Darm about three people who were going to travel great distances and told him not to accept them because it was a waste of the patients' money -- they were treatment resistant. The patient always came first and there was never any deception."


Later in the same update, Nase offered an ingenious explanation for why things had gone so wrong for him: "My problem is that I was too honest."

Oh, really ?!